Wednesday, March 21, 2007

To objectively define talent

Dear readers:

I would like to continue the debate on a topic that has been brought up in Aaron Ng's blog. I touched on this issue a bit in my previous blog post on "migrants and stayers". Mr Philip Yeo has kindly commented on my blog especially on the issue of talents, and hence, I would like to keep this issue alive.

First and foremost, I would like to highlight excerpts of SM Goh's speech.

"Singapore, he said, is leaking talent. Not just ordinary talent, but its best and finest."

"The issue which we are most concerned with is the loss of our own people at the very top," said Mr Goh. "These are bright young people, children of very well educated Singaporeans."

I would assume he was referring to the loss of academically bright young people, whom he described as talented. Now comes the debate. Is talent associated with academic achievement? From what I have noticed, there do not seemed to be much correlation. There are readers here, who can attest to the fact that there straight As students in GCE "A" levels who do not perform well at unversity level. Of course, there are exceptions and there are GCE "A" levels high-fliers who go on and do well in university. A fair number of our government scholars are shining beacons of this fact. However, then again, the counter-arguement is that if one is exam-smart, he would do well under examination conditions at any level, a fact acknowledged by one of my Professors who happened to have an interest in undergraduate education. I had the pleasure of speaking to someone from the education service and he seemed to equate good grades with meritocracy from what I could gather.

Allow me to produce the first definition of meritocracy from dictionary.com.
"an elite group of people whose progress is based on ability and talent rather than on class privilege or wealth".

Of course, I didn't have the heart to tell this chap that I managed to ace my "A" levels due to a foolproof exam-smart tactic that I picked up from my seniors, allowing me to mug for three months to get my As, whilst the large part of my college years was spent in playful abundance. Did I deserve my As on merit? Hardly.

There was an article by Fareed Zakaria of Newsweek on the comparison of Singaporeans with Americans. It can be accessible at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10663340/site/newsweek/

There was a telling admission by Mr Tharman Shanmugaratnam, our education minister, from what I have perceived.

I reproduce the excerpts of a quote by Mr Tharman below:
"We (refers to Singapore and America) both have meritocracies," Shanmugaratnam said. "Yours is a talent meritocracy, ours is an exam meritocracy.

There was another interesting piece by the author:
"He's the minister of Education of Singapore, the country that is No. 1 in the global science and math rankings for schoolchildren. I asked the minister how to explain the fact that even though Singapore's students do so brilliantly on these tests, when you look at these same students 10 or 20 years later, few of them are worldbeaters anymore. Singapore has few truly top-ranked scientists, entrepreneurs, inventors, business executives or academics. American kids, by contrast, test much worse in the fourth and eighth grades but seem to do better later in life and in the real world. Why?"

I have commented earlier in Aaron Ng's blog that talent does not necessarily co-exist with academic excellence. I happened to have a chat with a good friend of mine over some drinks. Both of us happened to read this artice by Fareed Zakaria. We both uanimously agreed that scoring well for science doesn't mean being good in science. Someone who is considered good in science should be able to DO GOOD SCIENCE. Any good scientist should be able to come up with a hypothesis and test it, formulate a model and test its consistency with observed scientific phenomenon. The judgement of this ability lies not so much in academic transcripts, but rather feedbacks/recommendations from academic advisors and publication records.

Thus, it can inferred that talent should be defined based on performance as opposed to standardized test. If we want to identify a Beethoven or Vladimir Horowitz reincarnate, we would be better off observing the fellow's piano performance as opposed to being focused on his grade XX theory examination, right?

Mr Philip Yeo asked me in his passing comment to show him the talent. My reply would be I have none at the moment. However, I would like to add that Tuesday (two days ago), it was one of my happiest days of the year. I am currently a Life Science course facilitator and I had to take a Normal Stream (the lowest tier in the hierarchy of secondary school stream) class for their Life Science course. I showed them a demonstration of serial dilutions and asceptic techniques ONCE. Furthermore, the conditions of the lab was not really sterile with no biosafety cabinets, and with just a blowing fan on top that would have blown an impurity on the agar plates. However, close to 50% of these Normal students obtained good bacterial culture plates (with visible colonies and minimal signs of impurities), beating their express (higher tier than Normal Stream in the hierarchy of the secondary school stream) who had close to none good bacterial culture plates. I thought it was a remarkable achievement considering the fact that the containers used were not exposed to sterile treatment, and that I had gone through the demonstration only ONCE! Even their teacher in charge was extremely happy with their performance that he took a few pictures of their masterpiece! I swore to myself that I must impart to them at least one part of the Scientific Method, important skills that allow these future talents to conduct experiments effectively as future scientists. I DO NOT BELIEVE in regurgitating what is needed to be reproduced in examinations, I rather impart important skills that one needs to perform in his task. It's the establishment's next move if one of these future talents comes knocking on its doors. I just hope that their academic record will not disadvantage them.

22 comments:

philip yeo said...

Good of you to give the Normal Stream students the due attention and encouragement.
Like the placebo effect, they can be then be self motivated to succeed.
The smart students can fan for themselves.
The weak students should be given due attention to make themselves smart.
Better teachers for the weaker students to leverage themselves up.
When they succeed, they can go auto pilot.

philip yeo said...

Chap is unfair.

US is a mature independent nation since 1776.
Singapore is a young nation since 9 August 1965.
In 1965, our per capita GDP was about US$600.

Only 22 of us in the 1965 class of Pre-University Science students at SJI.
In Fall 1966, 11 of us were sent overseas to study Engineering. No Science. No Medicine.
To study at BS level only as the funding was from Colombo Plan donors such as UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

From 1990 to 2000, NSTB gave no priority to PhD education.
At EDB, from 1986 to 2000, I gave out over 340 BS/MS overseas scholarships.
I took charge of NSTB (now A*STAR) in Feb 2001.
Transferred some EDB scholars over to A*STAR for PhD education abroad.

In July 2001, we started selecting and sending Singaporeans for overseas PhD training Science and Engineering.
As at March 2007, we have 86 PhD scholars in the US and 11 in the UK. 97 in all.
http://www.a-star.edu.sg/astar/attach/textlet/0e44d2035bWE/PhD-1.pdf
http://www.a-star.edu.sg/astar/attach/textlet/0e44d2035bWE/PhD-3.pdf

Another 200 plus are doing their PhD at NUS and NTU.

240 BS to PhD scholars too.
http://www.a-star.edu.sg/astar/attach/textlet/0e44d2035bWE/bs_by_jcs_(mar07).pdf

Come 2020, they will all be able to play their part and prove chap wrong. :-D

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Singapore has few truly top-ranked scientists, entrepreneurs, inventors, business executives or academics

Anonymous said...

Problem with the system is that the foreign trained are more valued, while the existing staff do not feel valued at all.
Used to work at NUS and there was a feeling of being undervalued and underappreciated.
Now after many of us have left the department, the U and the country, there is (according to this series of blogs) a sense that singapore (and probably the U too) is losing its talents.
Is it not too late to cry over split milk?
Should singapore not try harder to retain the current local talents, rather than 'push' more of them/us out by getting more foreign talent in? This is a viscious cycle: getting FT in pushes local talent out.
And Singapore could also do alot more to retain the FT currently working in singapore. Their issues and plights are not reflected in any of the regular Singaporean bloggers.
Will I want to return to Singapore, in the near future, and join in this viscious cycle again? Probably not. My "rocket science" will not be able appreciated sufficiently to compete for fundings with others in tissue engineering. Today in Singapore, to compete for funding, grant application will have to revolve around tissue engineering. (or have the farce passed?) Maybe someday when the government's funding emphasis is more encompassing and friendly towards non tissue engineering related stuff, or the emphasis changes towards my field, then there will be a pull factor to go back (and probably stay for a short while only).

Socrates_Reincarnate said...

Dear Mr Philip Yeo:

I would personally agree that Singapore has a rather short history. America has a longer history, and hence, it has gone through an era where it has embraced the rise of the creative class. Similarly, the Singapore government has promoted entrepreneurship, and perhaps the time has come for the rise in creative class perhaps? I have made a new entry on this topic in this blog accessible at
http://socrates-reincarnated.blogspot.com/2007/03/singapores-evolution-time-for-rise-of.html

Yours sincerely,
Dr Dee

Socrates_Reincarnate said...

Dear JS Tan:

I would think that there is a need to make local talents feel appreciated by the system to combat the outflow.

philip yeo said...

From 1970 to 2000, wherever it be in Mindef, NCB, EDB, Singapore Technologies, SembCorp, CapitaLand and A*STAR, I have always developed and groomed Singaporean talent thru local and overseas scholarships.

I have not been involved in NUS and NTU and hence cannot answer for what they have done or not done with respect to local talent.


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Socrates_Reincarnate said...

Dear JS Tan:

I would think that there is a need to make local talents feel appreciated by the system to combat the outflow.

philip yeo said...

From 1970 to 2007. Oops!

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Socrates_Reincarnate said...

Dear Mr Philip Yeo:

You mentioned something about giving out scholarships to hungry foreign students, who are willing to take up Singapore citizenship, in an earlier interview when you compared female scholars to male scholars. Was it reverse psychology in trying to spur the locals?

Yours sincerely,
Dr Dee

philip yeo said...

Trying to use all means, including Ridicule psychology, to get more Singaporeans, Male and Female, to do graduate studies and to man A*STAR labs and industries etc etc. Have no responsibility for the universities manning.

Gender breakdown of 670 A*STAR scholars: 61 % Male, 39 Female.
Biomedical Sciences: 48 % M, 52 % F.
Physical Science/Engg: 80 % M, 20 % F.

The male chaps are just 2/3 years behind the female because of NSF.

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Socrates_Reincarnate said...

Dear Mr Philip Yeo:

You mentioned something about giving out scholarships to hungry foreign students, who are willing to take up Singapore citizenship, in an earlier interview when you compared female scholars to male scholars. Was it reverse psychology in trying to spur the locals?

Socrates_Reincarnate said...

Dear Mr Philip Yeo:

I understand that foreign researchers still currently outnumber the local ones. Will you forecast a reversal of such a trend? I understand you highlighted this concern in an interview.

Yours sincerely,
Dr Dee

Socrates_Reincarnate said...

Dear Mr Philip Yeo:

May I ask if your "got degree, wash test-tube" remark was part of your Ridicule psychology masterplan to get more Singaporeans to do graduate studies?

Yours sincerely,
Dr Dee

philip yeo said...

By 2010, we would have given out 1000 A*STAR scholarships.

The 2002 BS-PhD batch will be home by 2011.
The last BS-PhD of 2010 will only be home by 2019.

The aim is to achieve 50/50 by 2020.

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I understand that foreign researchers still currently outnumber the local ones. Will you forecast a reversal of such a trend? I understand you highlighted this concern in an interview.

philip yeo said...
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philip yeo said...

YES! :-D

Learnt this practice from Dr. Goh Keng Swee: Must be cruel to be kind.

They will hate my guts now but when they get their PhD they might wake up and thank me. Ha! Ha!

Socrates_Reincarnate said...

Dear Mr Philip Yeo:

May I actually enquire in your management philosophy, what is the breakdown of Ridicule psychology, Slave driving master, generous boss and father figurely components. The breakdown is as shown below:

Ridicule psychology: ?%
Slave driving master: ?%
Generous boss: ?%
Fatherly figure: ?%

I am sure it will be an eye opener to know indepth your style of man management. :)

Yours sincerely,
Dr Dee

Socrates_Reincarnate said...

Dear Mr Philip Yeo:

I made a blog post about A*STAR and SPRING accessible at http://socrates-reincarnated.blogspot.com/2007/03/taiwanese-way-possible-marriage-between.html

Yours sincerely,
Dr Dee

philip yeo said...

All I want is to see our young, like my own 2 kids, succeed and make Singapore a better place.

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I am sure it will be an eye opener to know indepth your style of man management. :)

philip yeo said...

see http://eyethalics.com/QTSS/Quest/achievement_academic.htm

I took charge of this school in 1980 for two years to help the kids move up the ladder. The RI and RGS does not need any help from demanding people.

Socrates_Reincarnate said...

Dear Mr Philip Yeo:

I was wondering if you remembered any teachers, any key moments during your SJI days that made you what you are today. I came from a missionary school too, and we have much in common.

Anonymous said...

I call this a policy failure. James
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philip yeo said...

Have no responsibility for the universities manning.

Anonymous said...

I can see that and certainly hope so.

Thank you very much, (public) persona aside ;) James
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philip yeo said...

All I want is to see our young, like my own 2 kids, succeed and make Singapore a better place.